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Veronica + Logan = !!!

Most of my waking hours lately have been focused either towards working on my thesis proposal or worrying about how I'm not working on my thesis proposal. The leftover time has been spent watching Veronica Mars, holed up in my bedroom in front of the little television. (I'm working on my fic for

worldwouldend, the incredibly generous person who won my services in the Help Haiti auction.)

But I keep getting stuck on a single thought as I re-watch certain parts of season three, one that continually makes me giggle: it's like Piz has absolutely zero self-preservation instincts. In one of the first episodes of the season, he watches Veronica calmly hand Logan a taser so that he can stun the much larger dude who is beating up his drunk best friend in the school cafeteria. This establishes the rule that, had Piz only observed it, might have saved him a beating: Logan and Veronica are fucking crazy. No person in their right mind would get between those two. Lives ruined, bloodshed ? These are not metaphors. These are highly literal descriptive terms. At the time Piz was even wearing clothes left behind by Veronica's previous ex, who fled the country with his daughter by a deceased high-school classmate and was later accused of the murder of his own sister by Logan's crazy-evil movie star dad PIZ, AT THIS POINT, MAYBE YOU SHOULD RUN. If Piz was my friend, I would have taken him aside and been like "would you like to keep your optimistic outlook and all the bones in your face ? Maybe date Parker, or someone named Allison or Tracey or Stephanie."

Oh well. It's not a terribly serious thought. Just one that's making me both lol and pine for the epic days of Logan and Veronica.

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In one of the first episodes of the season, he watches Veronica calmly hand Logan a taser so that he can stun the much larger dude who is beating up his drunk best friend in the school cafeteria. This establishes the rule that, had Piz only observed it, might have saved him a beating: Logan and Veronica are fucking crazy. No person in their right mind would get between those two.

There's a meme going around where you talk about what show you're watching? Like, 'The Doctor + Rose 4EVR' show as opposed to 'The Enmity of Ages' show.

Me? I used to watch 'The Only Logan and Vernonica can handle Logan and Veronica' show. And, oh, do I miss it so, so much.

'The Only Logan and Vernonica can handle Logan and Veronica' show

OH GOD, THAT WAS MY FAVORITE SHOW.

Seriously. I mean, I love Mac and Wallace and they could always deal with the madness very well by staying mostly out of Veronica's relationship drama. And Dick would handle Logan's side of it by saying things like "Logan's lady friend whose quick wit I find enchanting." But L&V are CRAZY. Their world is strange and their history is twisted, occasionally dark and violent, and they've been through the fire together. I think their love story is pretty beautiful because of it. But to take a running leap into the epicenter of the craziness (oh Piz) is a very stupid move.

I honestly believe that neither of them will ever be happy with anyone but the other. And they aren't even happy together all the time. Their future lives will be complicated, and full of the bodies of idiots like Piz (of both sexes) who threw themselves in the middle during an off phase.

Logan! And Logan's girlfriend of whom I approve wholeheartedly!

I'm really drunk so apologies for incoherence (it just took me a full minute to find the apostrophe) but WORDDDDD. By season three they are both so insane that it;s kind of like hello everyone, please run in the opposite direction from these two balls of massive crazysauce issues. Man < I need to watch the good parts of VM again and just try to skip all the rape'o'clock.

ALSO I JUST HIT MYSELF IN THE FACE WITH MY LAPTOP, TIME TO PUT AWAY THE INTERNET I THINK

I LOVE YOU

(elevator in honor of Logan and Veronica)

...hello everyone, please run in the opposite direction from these two balls of massive crazysauce issues.

Truer words were never typed, drunk, by a genius. ♥

It's like no character in season three had a "Hannah's mother" moment, you know, where she watches the Tinseltown Diaries and is like THIS IS THE BOY YOU ARE DATING, OK NO. You'd think that someone would have watched Piz trying to lie down on the train tracks of Veronica & Logan, and been like, "I should tell you something about those two very pretty people."

And I don't think that being damaged or having issues means that you can't have a happy, healthy relationship- I just facepalmed endlessly when Piz expected to walk into a happy, healthy relationship with Veronica immediately after meeting her, and did not notice the giant blinking I HAVE LOGAN ISSUES AND LOGAN HAS VERONICA ISSUES signs floating over both their heads.

Watching VM again has been kind of awesome. I'm remembering why I loved it so much.

Yeah, like, was Wallace not Piz's roommate? THEY WERE FRIENDS, RIGHT? WERE THEY NOT FRIENDS?

Also, Hannah. yipes.

Yeah. I figure that Wallace didn't want to overstep as far as Veronica's privacy, but at a certain point it's like "WHY ISN'T ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ?" Just a couple of lines like, "they have a history, and you shouldn't get involved. The last few people who majorly messed with their lives were a.) blown up on a plane, b.) flattened from a dive off the Grand, c.) shot in the face in their own hotel suite." And then hopefully Piz would have been like YOU KNOW, PARKER IS QUITE PRETTY and I would have breathed a sigh of relief.

Ohh Hannah. I still don't even know how to feel about that arc, and it's been what, like four years ? I am perhaps overinvested.

Lives ruined, bloodshed ? These are not metaphors. These are highly literal descriptive terms.

INDEED. indeed. Chris Lowell, you appear to be a gentleman and a scholar, but oh man Piz, what the hell. I know we as humans have a hard time looking away from a car accident, but crossing over the median to get closer? Diving in with no protective gear or experience? REALLY?

..but crossing over the median to get closer?

LOL YES, THIS. Piz, I mean, the casual tasering, the fact that Veronica seems to be a wicked genius mastermind outwitting criminals OH and plus you know about that whole "murdered best friend who also happened to be her current boyfriend's ex" and the fact that Logan's dad was an accused killer and his mom took a swan dive and that all this shit was on the news like a million times. I know he came from Beaver Hills, North Nowhere, but this is no excuse.

What really got me about Piz was that he saw Veronica was in a relationship. That she was happy in this relationship. Was fine with the fact her boyfriend was a bit insane (she was herself) and yet he still persued her. Who does that? Who's a "good guy" and still does that? Wallace, her best friend, wasn't bothered by the relationship, how does he suddenly know better than any of them?

Yeah, if you can't tell, not a Piz fan. I haven't even seen the last few episodes of season three as I saw what was happening and couldn't handle it. (This means I didn't have to see my favorite douche, the sheriff, die, so it's all good.)This was one area the showrunner really fell down on. I know that Kristen Bell (who, I do love, just really disagree with her on this) didn't like Jason Dohring, but that part of being actor. You act like you like someone.

Yeah. The "good guy" thing... Piz was a nice, normal guy, I guess- which drove me crazy in the sense that Veronica Mars, the show, was a noir universe. The heroine was a tough, secret-troubled-history, gets-to-the-truth, revenge-driven, brilliant detective. Her boyfriend was the loyal, quick-tempered, loving but emotionally damaged son of a killer star. And Piz was... a sweet kid from a small town. I mean, in the noir model, what happens to the sweet kids ? He was not really a genre-savvy character: he kept thinking he was gonna get the girl and live happily ever after, but there's no such thing in noir.

Plus, like you said, he really pushed. He pushed and pushed and acted like it was his due that Veronica would turn around and like him. Nobody is entitled to love. Nobody is entitled to have their feelings returned. Love's a gift. But Piz just stood there the whole season with his hand out, expecting to get what he wanted. You can tell that the character rubbed me the wrong way, too.

Clearly, this kind of attitude is the only right way to watch series three. I've never actually atched it a second time and pretend it doesn't exist.XD

Piz is way too normal for someone like Veronica and should just accept it and get a lovely sane girl. Let the crazy kids have their epicness. :)

Ha. That's how I'm getting through it. Reminding myself of the good parts and just sailing through the bad.

Piz was too normal for Neptune, in my opinion. I like Neptune's dark grittiness, their morally conflicted characters, the twisted webs that hold everyone together. I spent the whole season expecting that Piz's "sweetie from Beavertown" act would suddenly drop and we'd find out what kind of character he really was... only to have the show inform me that no, he really was a transplant from Saved by the Bell.

Hm. Savoring the epicness in your icon. :)

Yeah, pretty much from that moment Piz should have just been all,

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vis-a-vis Veronica, Logan, and basically every single person in the town of Neptune. Except maybe Wallace. Although really, Wallace should have given him a reality check. (And if he did and I just can't remember because I haven't watched S3 since it was on TV, then he did a really shitty job of it.)

I was always hoping, right up until about the last episode, that there would be this big reveal and there would actually be something interesting/fucked up about Piz, but alas.

I was always hoping... that there would be this big reveal and there would actually be something interesting/fucked up about Piz

EXACTLY. Like you, I spent the whole season hoping that they'd built up the "sweet guy" to have a kind of epic reveal at the end. Maybe it's a cliche about the noir world, but if you're going to spend that much time on a character, you kind of want the payoff: the skeletons in the closet, the secret weakness, and more importantly the motivation. Who was Piz, really ? Where does he fit in Neptune ? What does he believe in, what pushes his buttons, what lines won't he cross, where does he come from, what does he want ?

And the show already had a good, normal guy: Wallace. He was still a complex character- his history with his dad, his relationship with his mom, his need to be a good brother and a good role model, the times he fucked up and then tried to make it right. "Normal" doesn't have to mean "blank slate," and I think they forgot that when they crafted Piz.

How much I am loving that there is still fan discussion about Veronica Mars 3 years later? And that you are able to find interesting things to say about Season 3 (bleh) and Piz (I wanted to like him, but bleh)?

I loved VM so much, but I think it had one perfect season and one good season in it-- which makes sense considering it started out as an idea for a novel. The college thing was never going to work.

Time for a rewatch, I think.

I know! It's such an amazing show and such a rich universe that it still makes me think. And feel. And sometimes yell a little when I've had one beer too many and my BFF and I are talking television, lol.

I wanted to like Wallace's Funny New Roommmate, but when Funny New Roommate became Guy With the Pining Eyes after having known Veronica for all of five seconds, I lost interest. I tend not to like characters who are added into established casts for the sole purpose of complicating an existing couple. Ah, well.

And I agree- one perfect season, one really good season, and one season that fell apart (with small flashes of awesome.) Rewatch the good bits! They are so, so good. It's like visiting an old friend. :D

I heart this entry.

I've been pondering a VM rewatch recently. Soon.

Hello! And eep, this post and ALSO THE ONE ABOUT THE BUFFY COMICS, WHAT?!?! are making me super-excited. Basically I have been in the middle of a cross-country move and not really available online at all, and I'm really sorry about that. If you don't mind, I am going to friend you? And hopefully actually be around now?

Yay, I hope everything went really really well. Congrats on being in a new place!

(THE BUFFY COMIC WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY, LOL ARGH, sorry to be so crazy.)

And yes, let's be friends. ♥

Sorry for the forever-after-this-was-postedness (I wandered by looking for fic - finally watched End of Time, need Master fix now!), but dude - this post is the first thing that has made me actually want to watch past s1 of VM. I got to the end, went "Good god, that was amazing and perfect and fantastic and now I want these people to spend some time being wackjobs as a result of all their trauma, but giving them more trauma just seems mean." and everyone told me the rest isn't as good, so I stopped. But! But! TASERS! Oh, Logan, you are my favorite and you and Veronica should be scary and amazing always.

Anyway, the point is: would you say it is better to stay in my happy place imagining different fallout from s1 than happened in season 2, or should I watch on?

Oh, no problem. I am up for Veronica and Logan discussion basically 365 days of the year. XD

It's hard to say, and I know a lot of people were dissatisfied with certain things in season two, but LOGAN. And VERONICA. Season two had so many moments that I wouldn't give up for the world. So many beautiful, crazy, heart-breaking things happened. They got into shit together and got out of it together and were the most intense thing on television for that whole year. Season two, for all its flaws, didn't let me down on their characters. It's not too much of a spoiler to say that they get a bit of happiness by the end (if that helps.)

To be honest, you probably don't need to watch season three, though I did and I don't regret it- precious moments with L&V were never gonna come again, so oh well. (I won't sugarcoat it, though: that shit'll break your heart.) It's all about what you're happy with, and if actually seeing the mess unfold is going to harsh your happiness, you'll have to think about it.

Mm, in my mind, Logan and Veronica and Daddy Mars are drinking margaritas and Wallace is flying his model airplane and Mac is covered in sunscreen, typing code and Weevil is doing donuts in the parking lot and Backup is barking and they are all very, very, ridiculously happy.

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